Animals do not create excess for your taking
- Bees STORE honey for flower-less winters
- They do not create “excess” for your taking
- Deer and all animals naturally overpopulate and depopulate as the population threshold is reached
- They are NOT permanently overpopulated and in need of super-predators. There is no “excess” of any wild animal
- Cows create breast milk for their calfs and only their calf. There is no extra milk left when a calf is breast feeding.
- Dairy cows are ripped from their newborns so their milk can be harvested. There is only “excess” when a cow has no baby to feed.
- Fish communicate through sound waves that travel farther and we can not hear. They are very social, creating bonds and relationships. Even sharks have been observed expressing playfulness, fear, and joy. They are sentient and feel pain.
- All types of fishing reap anything and everything it’s it’s way, this includes dolphins and turtles who often drown in fishing nets. Unwanted fish are thrown back into the ocean, who often die soon after due to the rapid change in pressure. If hunted fish to not suffocate in cramped containers, they’re throats are slit and bleed to death. Fishing is cruel and unsustainable. There is no “excess” of fish
- Chickens eat their own eggs when they know it is not fertilized. This helps them get valuable nutrients and calcium back. A hen left to herself only creates 12 eggs a year
- Egg laying hens are selectively bred to make eggs as fast as possible. Their eggs are taken away from them before they get a chance to get the nutrients back. To ensure hens do not eat their eggs before they are stolen, their beaks are sawed with heat off at the tip. This creates untold pain to their sensitive body part. Because hens make so many eggs and they are not allowed to get their nutrients back, they often have broken bones due to osteoporosis. When egg production declines, hens are shocked into rapid egg laying through starvation.
- There is no “excess” of eggs without hens going through suffering and abuse.
Animals are not ours to harvest. They are sentient and deserving of rich, fulfilling lives. If you want to help end this suffering, go vegan. There are many resources online to help you through your journey and transition.
Literally everything is this post is wrong. Like all of it. Every part.
Why are vegans like this? Why do they know the least about animals of out of everyone on the planet? Actually I can answer it. It’s because if you’re a rancher and you raise animals you have to actually learn about animal husbandry. It’s because you need permits to hunt or fish and have to report your harvest to local Fish and Wildlife, who use this information to track and measure populations, as well as to check the health of herd. It’s because if your life depends on the health and well-being of an animal, you’re more invested in it than a cabbage-headed idiot who’s never been within 50ft of an actual deer.
Did you know there’s a horrible disease that is spread among deer populations in the US that causes them to starve to death even after they eat everything around them? Did you know that this there to be less food for all the other herbivores, as well as the healthy deer, causing all of them to starve to death to? Did you know that deer may go extinct in your lifetime due to it? Did you know that hunters, working with conservationist have controlled the spread this horrible disease in several states using the information that’s provided by hunters and tactical culling? I’ll bet you didn’t, because ‘deer are cute don’t eat them uwu’
The only thing that even approaches becoming semi-correct is that there are no ‘excess’ fish. Overfishing is a serious problem, but you know who does that? It’s not fisherman who fish in streams and lakes that are stocked with fish bred at a hatchery for that reason, and who’s permits fund the reintroduction of diminished or endangered species back into their native waters. It’s caused by commercial trawling, which is unethical and unsustainable. Congratulations on indirectly getting something right.
Vegans like this have to be the second most useless people on the planet because they’re a bunch of absolute fucking morons that don’t know anything about animals and yet they protest the loudest about animal welfare. They shout over people who’s entire lives depends on the delicate balance of these animals, because eating animals hurts their feelings, not because they have quantifiable scientific evidence that local wildlife populations are hurting.
Because I’m not a complete fucking idiot, here’s some ways you can actually help your local animal populations (instead of posting dumb shit on the internet);
- Protest laws that negatively target native carnivores (ex; wolves) such as efforts to prevent them being reintroduced locally or the introduction of permits to hunt them. We have eradicated the most effective herd control method in the United States, and that’s what makes hunting deer a necessity. Educate yourself on your local regional wildlife and see which animals are in most need of support.
- Support efforts to reintroduce native carnivores. There are both private and federal programs to help reintroduce species that have been regionally wiped out back into the native ranges. They’ll vary by your state/region, so you have to do the legwork. While this article is about Yellowstone National Park, it does detail the importance reintroduction of wolves have on the ecosystem.
- Educate yourself about Chronic Wasting Disease. Spread the information and make people aware of the epidemic facing our deer herds. Deer could literally go extinct in our lifetime if a solution is not found.
- Support state and federal wild life parks and reserves. These are the people that care most about your local wildlife and know the most about them. Ask them questions about what you can do, what programs you can donate to, or about laws affecting conservation efforts. Volunteer, if they have programs for it.
- Buy hunting and fishing permits. Even if you don’t make use of them, the money from these permits directly funds conservation efforts in state (may vary by state).
- Support efforts to ban bottom trawling on a global scale. This is an extremely destructive and unsustainable form of commercial fishing. Here’s a website with some more details about how you can help the overfishing crisis, including smart consumer choices.
- Stop spreading un-sourced arguments from vegan blogs and consuming PETA-made propaganda. It’s literally all lies.
Don’t say you never learned anything from my blog. Animals have literally always been essential to my livelyhood, and I am a fierce conservationist, and I will take no fucking shit from ‘animal lovers’ who don’t know one damn fact about animals.
I also didn’t even touch on cattle and chickens, which there are other comments on this fucking abysmal trainwreck of a post explaining it, but if anyone has questions about why this human cauliflower is wrong, I’d be happy to answer them or point you in the direction of resources to help support ethical farming practices. It would be 5xs as long as this post that’s mostly about deer though.
This post is weirdly misinformed and ridiculous so I thank you @argonian-alchemist for disrupting it.
Please please please be critical of blanket statements and sensationalized articles. If it seems off, please fact check it.
Let me get into disputing the thing about deer real quick tho. Apex predators such as wolves and cougars have been hunted to extinction in some areas of the world due to farmers protecting their livestock. How many of you guys have had to defend your house from a pack of wolves recently? That’s right, you haven’t. This is a widely known concept.
However, with no natural predators to keep their population under control, they can grow as large as they want. You say deer populations will “naturally” regulate? Yeah, that’s because there’s supposed to be predators around to eat the deer and keep the population under control. (Source) When you take out the predators, it’ll keep growing so long as there’s enough forage to graze. Which brings me to my next point – deer will decimate forests.(source) Literally, if there’s enough of them in one small area they can strip a forest to its bare bones, killing trees and small shrubbery. They will also outcompete with other wildlife and throw ecosystems into shit. That’s why hunting is not only GOOD for deer populations but it’s essential to keep ecosystems healthy and balanced. There’s no more natural predators in many of the places where humans live now, so we have to become the predators. If people didn’t hunt, our natural world would not look the same. There wouldn’t be lush forests or green fields. There would be very little biodiversity. (Source) And you also probably wouldn’t see deer anymore bc they probably would had eaten themselves to extinction.
Trust me, I don’t like hunting. I hate guns and the whole sub-culture of hunting just rubs me wrong. But I also understand that hunting is absolutely essential and necessary. If I didn’t support hunting, then I couldn’t call myself an environmentalist.
My sources are spread throughout this little blurb, but my biggest source? I have a degree in environmental studies and I’ve taken multiple classes on this topics.
I could get more into disputing some of the wildly false information you’ve just listed but, again, I’d be writing a damn book.
Seriously. Like, if you choose to be vegetarian or vegan because you don’t like the idea that you’re harming animals, by all means, go for it. But don’t go spreading falsehoods either. Learn about actual conservation efforts. Understand that killing animals (through population-control hunting, reintroducing predators, and even targeting infected populations) can be a necessity. Direct your energy towards making a positive impact on the environment.
By demonizing farmers, hunters, fishers, and other groups, you actively harm what few systems exist that do promote conservation and animal care. For example, hunting is a huge thing in Texas, and not just because people here love their guns. Because on top of native deer populations, Texas also has a big problem with wild boars. Boars are incredibly voracious, will eat not only plants but also animals if they have the opportunity, and breed incredibly quickly. Compared to deer, boars are also far more dangerous, as their tusks can easily cause severe wounds, combined with the fact that they will literally fight to the death (tenacity, a trait attributed to boars since ancient times). On top of that, any natural predators they once had are either extinct or driven to the absolute fringes. So it falls on hunters to keep them in check now. And even then, despite hunting efforts, they always rebound in great numbers.
So if you wanna keep eating your kale burgers, fine by me. But if you really wanna help the environment, go after the real threats to it. Big industry, non-sustainable practices, threats to endangered plant and animal populations, and individuals+groups that value profit at the expense of nature.
Absolutely. All of this. Thank you.
Demonizing people who need animals to survive accomplishes NOTHING. You’re not making a difference for those animals, you’re just creating headaches with your blatant misinformation. Don’t kid yourself. I’m sorry if the people giving negative feedback are being harsh. You clearly have an intense passion for animals and that’s admirable.
I could go into further detail as to what’s wrong with your arguments, but there’s something else that’s a huge, glaring problem with this entire thread. You say “fact check me” but you do not have credible sources. They literally mean nothing. “meat-kills.org” and “vegan-or-starvation.com” is not a source – it’s propaganda. Nobody will take you seriously if you use such websites as “sources.” And let me tell you, they would not count as an actual source if you used them in a higher education research paper either. Learn to tell the difference between sensationalism and actual facts. Only take your information from credible sources. What is a credible source, you ask? Peer reviewed papers, articles taken from newspaper journals, magazines, books; statements from actual researches who have personally conducted actual research over a certain period of time. You must also take information that is CONSISTENT, information that you see multiple times between multiple credible sources.
I’m not saying veganism is dumb or pointless. It’s good in many aspects. Frankly, you do you with your own lifestyle. Honestly, my hat is off to you that you’re able to maintain it so diligently. It definitely not easy. But it becomes a problem when you expect everyone else to follow your lifestyle otherwise you consider them to be sick, horrible people. Like I said before, this rhetoric hurts the very animals you’re trying to save. You’re not being an animal activist – you’re being brainwashed. I implore you to reconsider your knowledge and think more critically about your arguments.
Lastly – dairy cows are not “raped.” Artificial insemination does not equal rape. It is actually a fairly normal process in animal science and MANY animals would not be able to reproduce without it. It is painless for the animal to experience and the process is overseen by vets and qualified professionals.(source) It also helps with securing a safe reproduction in endangered animals. (source)
If you continue to imply that safely inseminating animals is the same as rape, then you owe a 10 page hand written apology to every single human being who has ever been sexually assaulted. You also should explain to them why you think that the brutal, humiliating way their body was forcibly violated was exactly the same experience felt by a cow.
Here’s a homestead dairy cow with a arm up her ass
And here’s a bull being jacked of by an electrified dildo
Please tell me these animals are not being violated in any way
Lol. Okay dokey.
So the cow isn’t being fisted for shits and giggles, you soggy almond. The actual process of artificially inseminating is less violent and invasive than a 2000lb bull mating with her. It’s also easier on the owner because there’s less risk of the cow being injured when you do it yourself. When you’re invested in your animals, you want to make sure they are as comfortable and safe as possible. This process is easier for the cow than naturally mating. So really, they’re doing the cow a favor. Also, even if they weren’t inseminating her, a vet would still have to stick his hand up there occasionally to examine her lady bits and make sure she’s healthy. But you’d rather her suffer and potentially die from a disease than be “raped” for a minute.
As for a bull – again, this process is less stressful for the bull than to let him naturally mate and is safer for him. It’s also MUCH safer for the handlers, since bulls can easily become dangerous. I won’t go into more detail since clearly you’re not going to listen to me anyway and had already made your decision when you opened this reblog and decided that you refused to be educated.
Please keep your ridiculous, idiotic, and ignorant vegan propaganda out of the fishblr and animalblr tags. And also, go outside. Have a good day.
Jesus Christ, I knew more about animals than OP does when I was six. This is honestly scary.
Also dairy cows make more milk than a calf could possibly drink. Even if they kept their calves they would still need to be milked. Some women suffer from oversupply when they lactate and their babies can’t drink all that so they pump, all dairy cows were bred to have oversupply so they too have to be pumped.
Since I’m a bee scientists and no one’s really touched of the bee part; bees have been selectively bred to create an excess in honey. The fact that you think beekeepers take the food stores that bees need over winter is laughable because beekeepers don’t want to kill off their hives. That makes zero sense.
If the excess honey is not harvested it also runs the risk of the hive swarming and leaving the hive box, so not only have you lost your bees, but they’ve probably gone and taken up estate in a place that’s going to harm humans or wild animals.
Beekeeping is a complex process that requires I love for bees, and I’m sick to death of people who’ve never seen a hive box let alone understand the first thing about keeping bees or the industry, spreading nonsense.
If you aren’t educated or experienced in a subject then no one needs or requires you to open your mouth and spew misinformation.
Yes, commercially caught fish (and privately caught ones) are very often cruelly treated. Concern for their welfare is usually nil. They’re typically thrown onto ice to suffocate or freeze to death. Fishermen catching fish for fun/their own dinner will usually just throw a caught fish into a container to suffocate. That is cruel and needs to change. And, yes, amounts of bycatch are huge. I won’t disagree with that. There need to be massive changes to the fishing industry and how fish in general are treated. They do feel pain, recent scientific studies and basic observation have shown this. They do not, however, all communicate through sound waves. Some do, and some form social bonds. Some do not.
Hens DO NOT eat unfertilized eggs. Hens that go broody will sit on unfertilized eggs until the eggs rot and burst under them. They will sit on fake eggs until they waste away if allowed to do so. When they go broody, they sit on eggs until they hear baby chicks or are removed from the nest for long enough that they stop being broody. When they are not broody, they ignore eggs. Any good diet for laying hens provides enough nutrients to compensate for the lost eggs, especially when a calcium supplement (oystershell, usually) is provided for them to pick at if they want. You do NOT want your hens eating whole eggs, because they don’t understand what an egg is. If hens get into the habit of breaking and eating whole eggs, they’ll often eat any eggs that are laid, fertilized or not.
Yes, factory farms cut the beak tips off chicks. No, it’s not done with heat, usually with clippers or a saw. Yes, this is cruel. It is not, however, to prevent egg eating. It’s because they’re kept in such crowded conditions that their beaks have to be cut to prevent them inflicting serious damage on each other when they fight.
Are farmed chickens cruelly treated? Sometimes. Do extremely high-yield egg layers frequently suffer from reproductive cancer and have a shortened lifespan? Yes. Does that mean that the entire concept of raising chickens for eggs is inherently cruel? No. Chickens, domesticated chickens that lay upwards of 200 eggs a year, can live long and healthy lives if properly fed.
The “example” video of bovine AI features an extremely inept human. Watch a video of properly done AI. The cows seem, at most, annoyed, and may not even notice. Besides that, have you seen how most animals mate? In many mammal species, the male has to catch and hang onto the female. Ducks are also startlingly rough with each other. This is a survival strategy, ensuring that only fit males can reproduce, and is good for the species but rough on the female. If animals could be raped, most female members of many animal species would be visibly traumatized. Animals do not understand the concept of rape. Again, watch ducks- the male will jump on a female and hold onto her neck feathers for several moments, with the female attempting to get free the entire time. When the male lets go, the female will escape, shuffle her feathers, and behave as if nothing happened. She may avoid a particularly aggressive male, but won’t act afraid of or overly aggressive towards male ducks. The concept of violation is a uniquely human concept, animals don’t have the self-awareness to feel anything like it.
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