“Authors can’t use it in fantasy fiction, eh? We’ll see about that…”
–Terry Pratchett, probably
Try to implement anything but a conservative’s sixth grade education level of medieval or Victorian times and you will butt into this. all. the. time.
There was a literaly fad in the 1890′s for nipple rings for all genders(and NO, it was NOT under the mistaken belief that it would help breastfeeding–there’s LOTS of doctors’ writing at the time telling people to STOP and that they thought it would ruin the breast’s ability to breastfeed well, etc). It was straight up because the Victorians were freaks, okay Imagine trying to make a Victorian character with nipple rings. IMAGINE THE ACCUSATIONS OF GROSS HISTORICAL INACCURACY
people just really, REALLY have entrenched ideas of what people in the past were like
tell them the vikings were clean, had a complex democratic legal system, respected women, had freeform rap battles, and had child support payments? theyd call you a liar
tell them that chopsticks became popular in china during the bronze age because street food vendors were all the rage and they wanted to have disposable eating utensils? theyll say youre making that up
tell them native americans had a trade network stretching from canada to peru and built sacred mounds bigger then the pyramids of giza? you are some SJW twisting facts
ancient egypt had circular saws, debt cards, and eye surgery? are you high?
our misconception of medieval peasants being illiterate and living in poverty in one room mud huts being their own creation as part of a century long tax aversion scam? you stole that from the game of thrones reject bin
iron age india had stone telescopes, air conditioning, and the number 0 along with all ‘arabic’ numbers including algebra and calculus? i understand some of those words.
romans had accurate maps detailing vacation travel times along with a star rating for hotels along the way, fast food restaurants, swiss army knives, black soldiers in brittany, traded with china, and that soldiers wrote thank-you notes when their parents sent them underwear in the mail? but they thought the earth was flat!
ancient bronze age mesopotamia had pedantic complaints sent to merchants about crappy goods, comedic performances, and transgender/nobinary representation? what are you smoking?
I WANT TO KNOW THE STORY BEHIND THIS. I HONESTLY THOUGHT THEY WERE LOVERS.
Okay, okay, so short version:
Joker seduced Harley while he was in Arkham and she was his psychologist. He did so by manipulating sessions to make him seem pitiable.
Harley broke Joker out. Joker was originally going to kill her then, but fans had latched onto Harley Quinn’s new look and she was a fan favorite (mind you as I recall, she was originally introduced in BTAS, and then transferred to the comics later). So she ended up surviving his first murder attempt.
He decided that although annoying she could still be useful (since she’s actually brilliant, and at this point somewhat codependent). This leads to a string of horrific abuses and murder attempts. Including (in the TV show alone) throwing her through a window that is at *least* three stories up, choking her, beating her with a hammer, threatening her with one of his gag guns (which, depending on the gun, may or may not kill her in various ways), and attempting to get hyenas to eat her.
In the comics, it includes starving her, chaining her to a wall in a sewer on top of corpses of “failed Harleys,” poisoning her, leaving her in burning buildings, pushing her into the line of police fire, gaslighting her basically every time he fails to kill her, and the list goes on. When she becomes pregnant with her and Joker’s kid, she leaves for nine months, to her sister’s place, and gives birth there. She doesn’t tell Joker about the kid (and goes out of her way to prevent Joker from finding out). She tells Canary that it’s because Mr. J would be too busy for a kid, but if you pay attention to Harley’s behavior throughout the comic, the clear subtext is “My kid would end up dead or worse if Joker knew about her.”
Additionally, post break up, she notes he was abusive, says it wasn’t love, it was manipulation, and frequently describes it as the worst part of her life.
I’m no expert but I remember one more thing… she said he never noticed she was gone for those 9 months.
THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THIS UP.
This is why couples are creepy as fuck for dressing up as Harley and the joker and why people are especially fucked up for thinking the relationship they had in suicide squad was “goals”
I think the most healing thing my therapist has said to me was that I’m allowed to be angry and bitter about slipping through the cracks my whole life. I was so obviously and desperately in need of help from kindergarten to 12th grade, and only once did anyone respond, when I was 12, and then I went to middle school and fell through the cracks again. I got detentions for talking out daily in elementary and middle school. I broke down crying multiple times in class as a 17 year old in HS, which is, you know, not normal. I never did my homework, failed multiple classes every year and did summer school, all while ranking in the 99th percentile in state testing.
And nobody said “this isn’t right. someone pay attention to this girl.”
instead most of my teacher’s and a lot of my friends’ parents labeled me a problem child and couldn’t wait for me to be gone.
and I’ve spent all this time thinking “well, I’m getting the help I need and deserve NOW! It’s time to move on! Don’t focus on how, if someone had paid attention, I may be attending a college with a full ride scholarship right now, maybe have my dream job already, wouldn’t have spent so long suffering and suicidal.”
But my therapist told me, not only was it okay for me to be angry that literally all of the adults in my life but my mom and friend’s mom failed me, but she was also angry FOR me. And that I was allowed to be angry at everyone who let young Molly Anne slip through crack after crack. And that being angry and accepting that I was failed would help me move on.
And it has.
You’re allowed to be pissed off about the bad things that happened to you as a kid. You’re allowed to ask life “hey, what the fuck?” It’s part of healing.
But birth control is totally completely legal (in the US) and paid for by most insurance providers? And it’s like 9 dollars a month if the insurance falls through???
My birth control costs 100 DOLLARS for 4 weeks that’s almost an entire quarter of my income?? I’m completely dependent on that insurance it’s not that simple
You need better birth control babe, or give it up if your health isn’t dependent on it, like dayum.
My birth control is entierly free, even with my pretty not great insurence and I get 6 months at a time. With how many options there are just for birth control pills, I don’t see how a person could be stuck to $100 a month. Do some looking around. I garuntee there are less expensive options.
Like I’m on some that’s 9 dollars a month, and it is the most common pill in the US.
Stop gettin your birth control from drug dealers, hang up on the cartel, and get some cheap shit from a doctor
Unfortunately the most affordable generics simply don’t work for everyone. While they are fantastic for those who it does work for, some people CANT use those for a wide variety of medical reasons, and have to turn to more costly methods.
$100 a month is absolutely awful, and hopefully there are better options around. But not everyone can get the most affordable generics no matter what.
While true generics don’t always work if 100 is a quarter of your monthly you qualify for free insurance and ya ass has no excuse.
If you are somehow affording 100 a month, wait 6, try not to fuck, and get an IUD.
If it’s medical? I refer you to my first paragraph. Like I’m just sayin, there are ways
I mean I just googled it, and like with insurance the pill is like 15-60 a month, it’s really expensive if you don’t have insurance tho.
tbh Margaret Sanger was racist sociopath who makes modern neonazis on par with martin luther king Jr.
how about y’all just not fuck everyday like degenerates?
Do….do you think that you only take birth control pills…on the day you actually have sex?
do you think I’m not telling you to become celibate until you want to have children?
You think my husband and I need to be celibate until we are ready to be parents? Ahahahahahahahaha. That’s hilarious.
Birth control pills only work if you take it every day? It’s not the same as a plan b pill. Sex is a thing some people enjoy and they should be allowed to have it without fear of pregnancy. Birthing children is NOT the only purpose people with vaginas serve.
Sex without risk of pregnancy is a privilege not a right.
how do you mean?
I mean it’s a privilege, a luxury. Not a right, not a need.
The idea that only rich people should be able to have recreational sex is as baffling and silly as it is wholly useless.
I’m sorry who said anything about rich people? I said it was a luxury, not an expensive one.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Things can be extravagant and unnessisary without being expensive. A bubble bath with bath salts and sushi is extravagent. It isn’t expensive.
It is ectravagent to spend 20 dollars on a single bathbomb. Does that suddenly make it a huge sum of money and out of the realm of an average person purchasing it? No. But it is not needed for living and a lack of is not a human rights violation. Unless you side with the incels. In which case good fucking luck.
No one said it was a human rights violation? I said the idea that only rich people should have recreational sex is silly and USELESS. it doesnt actually present a workable, reasonable solution. Shouting “abstinence!” at grown ass adults because they dont want to be parents right now is ~not an effective solution ~
My husband and I are not going to be celibate because we dont want kids right this very instant, and its ridiculous to suggest that ANY couple should. It argues a puritan morality without regard to reasonable applicability.
You’re having a hard time here, so I’m going to spell this out very carefully. No one says you need to be rich to afford it. A luxury is an item you don’t need to survive. I’m also not shouting abstinence. If you can’t afford 6-15 dollars a month for birth control or 7 dollars for a pack of condoms, your ass doesn’t have time or money for sex.
Again, you’re going the all or nothing route. If you and your husband TOGETHER can’t afford 6-15 dollars a month for birth control/condoms, you need to worry more about your next meal than sex.
Last time I checked 6-15 dollars is not a “rich person” purchase you purposefully obtuse fuck.
Now excuse me while I bang my Boyfriend like a screen door in a hurricane while responsibly on birth control I paid for myself. It was 9 dollars. I’m a college student, poor as hell, what the fuck is your excuse?
Youve completely missed massive points.
People take birth control for reasons other than just sex.
Birth control should be available affordably through insurance (that you already pay for)
Not everyone can take the cheapest generics for medical reasons, and should still have birth control that works for them ne available affordably
Saying that people who cant get birth control, for whatever reason, just shouldnt have sex ever, is not a solution to the problem. Its a way to avoid actually thinking of a solution.
Holt shit, critical healthcare should not be treated as a luxury item. What in the god damn hell.
I know and I’ve mentioned it
It is
If you have unfortunate circumstances it’s just that, unfortunate, and unless you need it for medical purposes, it’s not a priority, and you need to dig deeper into your pocket. 20 bucks instead of ten. Oh no.
Condoms exist. Other sexual acts exist. But if you can’t afford to buy condoms, you can’t afford sex. Again a luxury, not a nesessity.
Birth control, unless for other medical purposes, isn’t critical. Getting your rocks off isn’t critical. Heat disease is critical, asthma is critical, severe allergies are critical, diabetes is critical, having sex is not.
These are not solutions to the problem. Its a way to avoid actually thinking of a solution.
Like, maybe dictating what kind of sex married couples can have based on their income is a little invasive and creepy. But hey, reforming health care so that it covers basic preventative medicine that improves the quality of life for people would actually require some action.
“If you have unfortunate circumstances it’s just that, unfortunate, and unless you need it for medical purposes, it’s not a priority, and you need to dig deeper into your pocket. 20 bucks instead of ten. Oh no.”
I’m a little confused by this.
When going to a pharmacy to actually get the prescribed birth control pill, and when the payment goes through insurance… how would they know whether or not it was needed for medical purposes?
Like, the birth control pill I’m on, before this year anyway (I live in Ontario and all prescriptions for people under 25 are now free of charge as long as you have a health card), would have cost me over $100 if not for insurance (I think it was $144 for three months). And I was put on that pill, after trying many others, for medical purposes and not for contraceptive purposes.
So, by what that says, if I were in the US, my insurance should cover most or all of the cost of this particular pill for me because I need to be on that one for medical purposes and can’t be on any of the others that were less expensive because they didn’t work for me. But other people on the same medication for only contraceptive purposes shouldn’t have the cost covered.
But… how would the insurance company know that? And where’s the cut off for who actually needs any medication, not just birth control. And would insurance companies be able to exploit that “well they don’t technically need this medication to survive”to end up covering hardly any prescription medications? And even if a particular medication significantly improves someone’s quality of life… do they really need it if they’re still alive? In which case, even though my birth control is something I take for medical reasons, is it still a luxury because I wouldn’t die without it?
I don’t know. The US health care system is already really confusing to me. But this comment on how it’s proposed to work just confuses me even more.
how would the insurance company know that?
Literally the same way an insurance company knows the difference between an exploratory surgery used for testing purposes and an emergency one. The doctors tell them.
And where’s the cut off for who actually needs any medication, not just birth control
Same place it is now, up to the doctor’s assessment. When doctors send information to insurance companies to see if it will be covered, they give their assessment to whether they think it’s medically necessary or not.
would insurance companies be able to exploit that “well they don’t technically need this medication to survive”to end up covering hardly any prescription medications?
Insurance companies already do that for surgeries and other procedures. The way it works with medications is that certain medications are covered and some aren’t. This is usually based on things like price and their use and dosage and form.
If you’re prescribed a drug that is not covered, then you appeal it on the grounds that it’s medically necessary for you. Then your doctor proves that you need it, and tada, it will be covered for you.
And here’s the thing, for 99% of doctors “medically necessary” does not equal “you will die without it”. It’s usually some variation of “treats this condition and improves quality of life”.
So the way it should work is that companies have the option of covering birth control right off the bat. And then if they don’t cover it, it’s not on the list of drugs they cover, then they make exceptions for patients for who their doctor’s say it’s medically necessary.
First off, some birth control pills are fucking expensive. The kind I needed to stop unauthorized bleeding cost $150 without insurance! With a 75% copay on meds over $50, it was still around $40. That’s a big jump from $10, or $20, or $25. If your drug is covered by your insurance at $10 a pop, that’s fantastic, but man, that does not generalize.
Here’s how the “medically necessary” bit goes for my insurance, which is shitty about meds (state-funded Medicaid):
Doctor tells them it’s necessary. Most doctors will go to bat for you on this.
They review it internally, the doctor’s note does NOT actually guarantee they will cover it!
If they decide it’s not necessary (this is decided by people who are often not even doctors and know nothing about your case or your situation), they reject it flat-out, again. You CAN appeal. It takes at least 60 days to go through.
If they decide it might be necessary, but there are other approved drugs that might treat the condition, they are allowed to insist that you:
1) Try 3 other drugs that are on their approved formulary for at least a month.
2) Provide documentation that those drugs do not work.
3) SUBMIT SIDE EFFECT REPORTS TO THE GODDAMN FDA AND CC THEM ON THE PAPERWORK!? I sincerely could not believe this one, it was absolutely wild.
So you do this, and you wait longer.
They will maybe cover it. Or! They will “lose” parts of your records, forcing you to go through any of those steps again. I am not exaggerating.
By then, it’s been around six months, assuming they don’t lose anything and you can get them to acknowledge faxes in a timely fashion. Paperwork often has to be submitted 2 or 3 times, sometimes more. Each one of those, for each piece of paperwork, adds about 2-3 days assuming you call to confirm they got it (they recommend waiting 24-48 hours to make sure they got it) instead of waiting for the denial letters. Fuck you if you don’t have a phone, and fuck you if they don’t send the letter (about 1 in 4 did not arrive).
So that’s how it goes.
I fucking GAVE UP trying to get one of my psych meds approved. The process gave me a goddamn mental breakdown and was more destructive to me than not having the meds was. This is what they want, and it is built into the system not only passively through incompetence but *by design* in the way that they will second guess your doctor’s decision at every turn in an attempt to get you to do what they want, which is take either one of their approved drugs, or literally none at all.
On old insurance that I had, even with a doctor’s note saying it was necessary, they would NOT approve birth control. Was this against the law? Yeah, probably. Could I do anything about it? Hahahahaha! Not without lawyers, which this bitch has literally never been able to afford!
These policies cause sickness and death, not just suffering and inconvenience.
This, despite how it gets framed about “wanting to fuck without consequences” is actually part of a larger picture, that of letting insurance companies choose not to cover incredibly common drugs. This is a form of institutional violence that penalizes sick people for being sick, and people with uteruses for being people with uteruses. It penalizes people for trying to be responsible and manage their own reproductive health care.
The simplest and most human choice is to simply cover all forms of prescription/surgical birth control. This is actually very cost-effective, and it’s ethical.
But some of y’all’s “solution” to this problem that in the wider view (not just re: birth control) fucking kills people is to just “not fuck.” Because a basic cornerstone of many human relationships, physical intimacy, is apparently like a widescreen TV, a luxury the poor should not be allowed to indulge in without censure. “Live smaller, you worthless, shitpicking fucking plebes. Your performance of poverty is insufficiently humble. You want too much. Don’t become addicted to water.”
Ohhhhh, I fucking see.
Suck my ass.
“Don’t become addicted to water.”
THIS, holy shit.
That last post is perfect, but I just want to add that, FYI, the UN Office of the High Commissioner on Human Rights actually says there is a right to reproductive health care that’s not only legal, but affordable:
Funnily enough, the UN High Commissioner on Human Rights isn’t down with the idea that the solution to unaffordable birth control is “poor people shouldn’t fuck.” Can’t imagine why.
Hi, I have endometriosis.
During my period, small fragments of my endometrium, the inner lining of my uterus, escape into my abdominal cavity. No one knows exactly how this happens, but it does. Those fragments attach to my organs, including my intestines, the outside of my uterus, and my bladder. They can grow, and, during my period, they become inflamed as if trying to shed. That means inflamed sections of tissue are sticking my internal organs together.
Guess what? It hurts. I spend two days in too much pain to get up, clutching a hot water bottle to my stomach, and three days in pain if I try to move. If I move too much and tear an adhesion, it feels like someone is ripping part of my guts out, because that’s flesh tearing away from organs. If I move just a bit and pull on the adhesions, it still hurts, and I have extremely strong cramps.
If it’s allowed to continue unchecked, my pain will get worse, the adhesions will increase, and I’ll eventually need surgery to take the adhesions out. I also risk the adhesions tearing holes in my intestines.
If I take birth control, I don’t get my period. I don’t have to deal with almost a week of agony every month, I don’t have to worry about the adhesions growing, and the worst pain I get is an occasional twinge if I twist oddly and pull an adhesion.
I need to take birth control. Other people have the same illness, or other illnesses, that require them to take birth control for their health and comfort. Some people might just want to take birth control so they don’t have to deal with monthly periods- which, yes, is safe. You can stop your periods with certain medications with no ill effects, assuming you don’t have side effects.
And, you know what? Sex is healthy. It has mental and physical health benefits, and it’s a part of a certain type of close relationship for a lot of people. And that includes marriage.
Sometimes married people might not want to have a baby. Maybe they aren’t ready. Maybe one partner can’t safely get pregnant.
People should be able to have sex without worrying about pregnancy. This is not a radical statement.
If I had a parrot, I’d Skype other people with parrots and let my parrot see the feed so they could chat. Safe birb interaction, and long-distance to boot!
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